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- From: thp@cs.ucr.edu (Tom Payne)
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- Subject: Re: Is STL MT-Safe?
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- David Brownell (brownell@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
- : > I believe Modena or one of the other commercial STL library vendors has
- : > added a certain degree of thread-awareness to their implementation. I
- : > might be wrong, but I have a feeling that it is still not entirely
- : > thread-safe.
- :
- : Someone else mentioned Rogue Wave. Does anyone have URLS or something
- : through which the different "MT-enhanced" APIs could be compared? I've
- : been organizing a collection of MT/C++ issues; one of the gaps is where
- : the standard C++ library interfaces need to be "MT-safed" according to
- : some useful and consistent policy.
-
- Is there agreement on what is meant by the term "thread safe." (I have
- seen definitions that seemed quite inadequate.)
-
- : Eventually, the vendors ought to agree on one way to do threaded C++,
- : but we're not there yet! I don't know how much commonality there is
- : between different MT/C++ environments but I suspect it's not lots.
-
- The standards process is the appropriate forum for such vendor
- agreement. Unfortunately, the standards bodies have failed to provide
- the necessary leadership in the areas involving concurrency and
- asynchrony. Perhaps, these bodies simply have other fish to fry --
- getting the current standard completed is an monumental task. I
- detect, however, some reluctance to address matters of concurrency and
- asynchrony for fear of:
-
- * limiting the range of architectures on which the langauge
- in efficiently implmentable,
-
- * introducing incomapatibilities with vendor-established
- extensions,
-
- * commitment to one or another particular model for
- concurrent programming.
-
- Although each of these fears has some arguments for it, the portable
- implementations of Modula and Ada offer evidence that the difficulties
- are surmountable. Meanwhile, a C++ program (with defined behavior)
- cannot deal efficiently with some of the simplest asynchrony, e.g., a
- hardware-detected exception cannot generate a program exception,
- unless the program explicitly polls for it, thus, requiring
- unacceptable overhead both in running time and programming effort.
-
- There have been suggestions that such matters should be addressed by
- the C Standards Committees and possibly incorporated by reference into
- the C++ Standard by reference. While it is important to maintain as
- much commonality as possible, there are considerations that are unique
- to C++, e.g., interaction with exceptions.
-
- Tom Payne (thp@cs.ucr.edu)
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